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So im thinking of leaving the UK but i need to go somewhere with low taxes and that isnt too much of a 3rd world shit hole with millions of booners, rag heads or other low IQ barbaric mud races. 

I dont have millions, but i have some money but i would rather not be paying 10k or 20k to some countries that let you buy residency or whatever.  Is there anywhere thats relatively hassle free to do all of this?  I fucking hate the freezing UK weather and all of the 'enrichment' we currently have...
(11-07-2019, 07:18 PM)Reformation1 Wrote: [ -> ]So im thinking of leaving the UK but i need to go somewhere with low taxes and that isnt too much of a 3rd world shit hole with millions of booners, rag heads or other low IQ barbaric mud races. 

I dont have millions, but i have some money but i would rather not be paying 10k or 20k to some countries that let you buy residency or whatever.  Is there anywhere thats relatively hassle free to do all of this?  I fucking hate the freezing UK weather and all of the 'enrichment' we currently have...

Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary (Hungary is markedly less friendly and less 1st world than Poland or Czech Republic though).  Weather is colder in winter but there are actual seasons in all 3 of those countries.

Also "booners".....Dude I thought I was the only one who used that word!  Are you from the Midlands by any chance?

+1 for the "booners" usage.  Bravo!

PS.  My mates and I reworded booners and came up with the much more humourous "boonsfords"

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LOL im actually living in Birmingham but not from here. Have moved around a lot, lived in London, other big cities in the UK etc. Have my own business that doesnt require me to go to an office every day. So i move a lot, always kind of have.

Yeah interesting choice of Poland, i was fucking a Polish girl some time back and she was crazy, all her friends were crazy and it was actually a horrible experience at a bit of a low point in my life! So i have a really negative view of Polish people (and women) in my head. Perhaps i was just unlucky? Czech Republic sounds nice actually, not too much 'enrichment' there i hear!

Also LOL at Boonsfords

Andrew

If Sir Michael Palin says it... Big Grin

Croatian chicks really like English accent. At least the ones I dated.

If you'll be thinking about moving there, hit me up and I'll give you an advice or two.
(11-08-2019, 12:05 AM)D-503 Wrote: [ -> ]Croatian chicks really like English accent. At least the ones I dated.

If you'll be thinking about moving there, hit me up and I'll give you an advice or two.

I've been to Zagreb.   Lovely place, very pretty and civilised.  BUT I couldn't live there....Yet.  In a few years when I will be out in the woods it might be suitable.
Former Brum Town citizen checking in.

Can vouch for Prague as a great place to live during the summer. Thailand during the European winters.

Thai visa runs can be a nause but the overall standard of life is exceptional. (How many swimming pools does a man need access to during one week?) I think it's a millionaires lifestyle on a paupers budget.
Pound for pound, Thailand can't be beaten for fun and ease of living.
(12-29-2019, 08:44 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]Former Brum Town citizen checking in.

Can vouch for Prague as a great place to live during the summer. Thailanso is it stld during the European winters.

Thai visa runs can be a nause but the overall standard of life is exceptional. (How many swimming pools does a man need access to during one week?) I think it's a millionaires lifestyle on a paupers budget.
Pound for pound, Thailand can't be beaten for fun and ease of living.


So is it still possible to live in Thailand indefinitely then? I thiught the visa runs had been stopped or made a lot more difficult? 

Also the idea of sitting in some office for hour son end every 3 months is a ball ache. I hear its a massive pain, is that the case or is it relatively stress free in terms of you just leaving the country and then coming back in without too much fuck arsing around?
(12-29-2019, 09:48 AM)Reformation1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 08:44 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]Former Brum Town citizen checking in.

Can vouch for Prague as a great place to live during the summer. Thailanso is it stld during the European winters.

Thai visa runs can be a nause but the overall standard of life is exceptional. (How many swimming pools does a man need access to during one week?) I think it's a millionaires lifestyle on a paupers budget.
Pound for pound, Thailand can't be beaten for fun and ease of living.


So is it still possible to live in Thailand indefinitely then? I thiught the visa runs had been stopped or made a lot more difficult? 

Also the idea of sitting in some office for hour son end every 3 months is a ball ache. I hear its a massive pain, is that the case or is it relatively stress free in terms of you just leaving the country and then coming back in without too much fuck arsing around?

Very much possible to live here indefinitely. Visa runs are all underway in exactly the same manner as ever. Yes, the visa rules can change without warning and no-one ever really knows exactly the full situation at any given time but if there is money to be made, then business will service those needs smoothly.

In SE Asia there are ways around any restriction and once you do a bit of research and get connected, on the ground, it becomes easier. So often, it is who you know that makes the difference to your experience.

Yes, visa restrictions can be a pain and tiresome after an extended period of stay, but thousands of ex-pats feel that this is more than offset by the perks of the life out here.

After all, in comparison to the slow negotiating and signing of (for example) a 6 month lease for an apartment in EE, you can simply turn up in Asia and book a place by the hour, week or month.
Even getting a decent internet connection in a new apartment in Europe is a chore, whereas in Asia, it is about as quick as you can imagine, without extended contracts. And, if you don't pay, they just switch your access off until you drop the cash into the local office.

Every place has it's pluses and minuses. I spent a few years travelling and testing locations out. The places I liked the most were not neccessarily the ones I had expected to like the most.
(12-29-2019, 10:03 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 09:48 AM)Reformation1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 08:44 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]Former Brum Town citizen checking in.

Can vouch for Prague as a great place to live during the summer. Thailanso is it stld during the European winters.

Thai visa runs can be a nause but the overall standard of life is exceptional. (How many swimming pools does a man need access to during one week?) I think it's a millionaires lifestyle on a paupers budget.
Pound for pound, Thailand can't be beaten for fun and ease of living.


So is it still possible to live in Thailand indefinitely then? I thiught the visa runs had been stopped or made a lot more difficult? 

Also the idea of sitting in some office for hour son end every 3 months is a ball ache. I hear its a massive pain, is that the case or is it relatively stress free in terms of you just leaving the country and then coming back in without too much fuck arsing around?

Very much possible to live here indefinitely. Visa runs are all underway in exactly the same manner as ever. Yes, the visa rules can change without warning and no-one ever really knows exactly the full situation at any given time but if there is money to be made, then business will service those needs smoothly.

In SE Asia there are ways around any restriction and once you do a bit of research and get connected, on the ground, it becomes easier. So often, it is who you know that makes the difference to your experience.

Yes, visa restrictions can be a pain and tiresome after an extended period of stay, but thousands of ex-pats feel that this is more than offset by the perks of the life out here.

After all, in comparison to the slow negotiating and signing of (for example) a 6 month lease for an apartment in EE, you can simply turn up in Asia and book a place by the hour, week or month.
Even getting a decent internet connection in a new apartment in Europe is a chore, whereas in Asia, it is about as quick as you can imagine, without extended contracts. And, if you don't pay, they just switch your access off until you drop the cash into the local office.

Every place has it's pluses and minuses. I spent a few years travelling and testing locations out. The places I liked the most were not neccessarily the ones I had expected to like the most.


Wow ok thats really interesting, so i could in theory turn up on day 1 and find somewhere decent to stay for a few days whilst i work things out and find something longer term?  Are you in Bangkok?

I'm actually quite serious about upping sticks from the UK as everything is a fucking joke here and its harder and harder to make a living.  I'm getting taxed out my arse hole in my business and its just impossible to build anything of value here without 100 chodes trying to destroy it for fuck knows what reason.  So i'm kinda fed up.

I appreciate i need to do my own research and get some contacts and a place to stay sorted before arriving.  But any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Really interesting thread guys.  I'll be chiming in myself at some point because I have some big decisions coming up this year too.  Brexit et al.
(12-29-2019, 10:55 AM)SteveJabba Wrote: [ -> ]Really interesting thread guys.  I'll be chiming in myself at some point because I have some big decisions coming up this year too.  Brexit et al.

That'd be awesome thanks Steve.

I've looked at places like Portugal but the EU is looking like a right shitter for a UK citizen now.  I voted out of the EU and it seems i may have shot myself in the foot LOL  Rolleyes
(12-29-2019, 10:53 AM)Reformation1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 10:03 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 09:48 AM)Reformation1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-29-2019, 08:44 AM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]Former Brum Town citizen checking in.

Can vouch for Prague as a great place to live during the summer. Thailanso is it stld during the European winters.

Thai visa runs can be a nause but the overall standard of life is exceptional. (How many swimming pools does a man need access to during one week?) I think it's a millionaires lifestyle on a paupers budget.
Pound for pound, Thailand can't be beaten for fun and ease of living.


So is it still possible to live in Thailand indefinitely then? I thiught the visa runs had been stopped or made a lot more difficult? 

Also the idea of sitting in some office for hour son end every 3 months is a ball ache. I hear its a massive pain, is that the case or is it relatively stress free in terms of you just leaving the country and then coming back in without too much fuck arsing around?

Very much possible to live here indefinitely. Visa runs are all underway in exactly the same manner as ever. Yes, the visa rules can change without warning and no-one ever really knows exactly the full situation at any given time but if there is money to be made, then business will service those needs smoothly.

In SE Asia there are ways around any restriction and once you do a bit of research and get connected, on the ground, it becomes easier. So often, it is who you know that makes the difference to your experience.

Yes, visa restrictions can be a pain and tiresome after an extended period of stay, but thousands of ex-pats feel that this is more than offset by the perks of the life out here.

After all, in comparison to the slow negotiating and signing of (for example) a 6 month lease for an apartment in EE, you can simply turn up in Asia and book a place by the hour, week or month.
Even getting a decent internet connection in a new apartment in Europe is a chore, whereas in Asia, it is about as quick as you can imagine, without extended contracts. And, if you don't pay, they just switch your access off until you drop the cash into the local office.

Every place has it's pluses and minuses. I spent a few years travelling and testing locations out. The places I liked the most were not neccessarily the ones I had expected to like the most.


Wow ok thats really interesting, so i could in theory turn up on day 1 and find somewhere decent to stay for a few days whilst i work things out and find something longer term?  Are you in Bangkok?

I'm actually quite serious about upping sticks from the UK as everything is a fucking joke here and its harder and harder to make a living.  I'm getting taxed out my arse hole in my business and its just impossible to build anything of value here without 100 chodes trying to destroy it for fuck knows what reason.  So i'm kinda fed up.

I appreciate i need to do my own research and get some contacts and a place to stay sorted before arriving.  But any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

It's very much possible to arrive in Thailand and wing it in terms of places to stay. I always used to book the first few nights beforehand. The jetlag would always hit hard and you don't want anything getting in the way of a good few hours rest.

I am in the south of Thailand. You could literally turn up here, even in peak season - December to March – and have a simple room in a secure apartment block with lots of greenery for 10kB per month or 600B per night.

You could have a 125cc motorbike ready within 30 mins and be ready to explore. That's how simple it is. Giant Tesco supermarkets have all your favourite produce at about the same price as UK for most things.

Let me know your specific questions and I'll share with you what I can. If you want to know about business permissions and legislations I have some general info about that too.
(12-29-2019, 03:59 PM)frank Wrote: [ -> ]It's very much possible to arrive in Thailand and wing it in terms of places to stay. I always used to book the first few nights beforehand. The jetlag would always hit hard and you don't want anything getting in the way of a good few hours rest.

I am in the south of Thailand. You could literally turn up here, even in peak season - December to March – and have a simple room in a secure apartment block with lots of greenery for 10kB per month or 600B per night.

You could have a 125cc motorbike ready within 30 mins and be ready to explore. That's how simple it is. Giant Tesco supermarkets have all your favourite produce at about the same price as UK for most things.

Let me know your specific questions and I'll share with you what I can. If you want to know about business permissions and legislations I have some general info about that too.


Thanks Frank.  Do you know if i set up a business in Thailand and employ myself so the paperwork all looks like im on a business visa, if this would work and i could stay there for 2 years or more.  Or do i have to do the visa every 30 days, or 90 days whatever it is?

I would rather set something up long term and then if anyone else wants to come out to Thailand i could 'pretend' employ them via my company and they would look like they are working in Thailand? 

Im sure im not the first person to think of this, so im guessing this might not be as easy as ive just typed it...  But i guess my question is how easy is it to get a business visa if i just employ myself and do you know anything about business visa's?  And failing that what does a normal visa stay look like in terms of the reality of doing a visa run?  Is it like a day of HELL every 90 days?  I have the fear of god in me as a lot of people i speak to say that they can deny you entry back into Thailand and this is not uncommon at all and is very possible.  So even if it's like a 1% chance that seems quite a lot once you've done a few runs over a year or 2?

But you are there on the ground and know the reality of the situation as opposed to some retards online that are saying shit that is the letter of law.  Like here in the UK the law is dont do more than 70mph on the motorway but no one bothers with it and the police wont do anything unless you're doing 90 or more.  So i just wondered how the reality works and if there is a way to get around the visa run as i dont cope well in boiling heat and with bureaucracy, i get super anxious and i cant be fucked with in that regards!
Welcome to the bureaucratic miasma of Thai visas. (My info may not be 100% correct as the details change or are a bit vague. But this is basically on point)
Here's the simplest solutions first:

1. Buy a ticket, jump on a plane and get out here. You automatically receive a 30 day visa on arrival. This can be renewed a bunch of times by leaving the country and returning by air.
This is a good way to do a brisk exploration of the region. Low cost carriers like Air Asia can get you to some cool places like Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos. You might not want to stay in those countries but they are exciting to visit.

Returning by land gives you 14 days extension I think.

If you overstay by a few days, it's a small fine, **but** it doesn't reflect well on you in the eyes of border officials, so don't do it. You can also visit local immigration offices to get extensions of up to 30 days. (You can do this method once, before you have to do a proper visa run or leave the country).

2. The next best thing is to visit the Thai consulate in London before going to Thailand. I forget the name of the visa, but for approx £200 and a bit of paperwork you can get a visa which allows 3x90 days stay. You can then also get the 30 day extension above which is a cool 7 months total.

3. The work visa is the next option. It costs a ballpark figure of £1000 to set up and you need to complete some paper work and also have three Thai people on the board of directors. In theory the Thai people could kick you out of your own business, but you can choose the Thai people, they don't have to know each other and I've never heard of any conspiracy like this.
Agencies exist everywhere that can handle this for you quickly.

This now enables you to have continuous 90 day visas before, yes, some trip to some weird immigration office. I've never heard of the employing your friends for visa purposes being used, but that's not to say it couldn't happen.
I would point my friends to one of the solutions above. Save yourself the bureaucratic timewaste.

You can also buy ready set-up businesses off guys who are leaving Thailand. They cost a few grand upwards.

4. The baller option. For approx £10k you get a one time visa which lets you come and go as you please, get priority at the airports, for 5 years. No visa runs. In reality this is not much more expensive than option 3 above, once you factor in time lost from work, travelling back and forth to borders, and paying for the trips.


Bear in mind that visa runs can take 3 days (I'm in the south of Thailand) and set you back around £200 a trip.

The thinking behind the visa chore is that the Thai government want you to remember that you are a guest in their country and that Thailand is for Thai. When I think of it that way, it becomes a slightly less annoying aspect.

I have a business visa and I pay a small amount of tax every month to my accountant. I've had it for 3 years and yes there have been issues.

For example, I was in Europe last year when my Thai visa expired. When I returned to Thailand I presumed it would be automatically renewed. No. Instead, it seemed that my entire buisness had been vapourised and that I was back on 30 day visa on arrival. I was furious.

In the end I found a visa company that could rectify this mess, but I have a friend who fell into this same mistake and has had to pay to close the business that was effectively shut down by being out of the country at the wrong time.

This experience severely rattled my desire to stay here I assure you.

A few days later, and once I had jumped back on my beautiful motorcycle, sped through the jungle, sat on the pristine beach, hung out with my friends who have a lot of free time, went to the gym, I started to remember why I'm here.

Also, and this is very important info -- my internet speeds are (I just checked) 60Mbps download and 90Mbps upload. So, online businesses are well served. You can get faster quite easily now, but that's sufficient for me.

But that incident, along with the fact that I now have to take a visa run down into the Muslim contested south of Thailand means I'm considering option 4. It just means committing to this place long term.

You can learn about the Southern Thailand Insurgency and it's not pretty reading. It sounds nightmarish in fact. I was pretty tense on the last trip as we went past a number of heavily armed military check points, albeit without incident. When you live in these countries your view on life and death changes. That's a topic for another day though.
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